Ramsgate Town Council commission expert report to raise concerns over planned airspace changes for Manston airport scheme

RSP plan for Manston airport

Ramsgate Town Council says it will raise serious concerns about the proposed changes to airspace and flight paths in connection with Manston Airport, as part of the current consultation being undertaken by RiverOak Strategic Partners (RSP).

Stage 3 is the public consultation phase of the airspace change proposal process, where proposed changes to flight paths and airspace structure are presented to residents, communities, and wider stakeholders.

The airport has been closed since 2014. RSP purchased the site in 2019 during the planning inspectorate inquiry as part of the process to gain a development consent order.  The Development Consent Order (DCO) to approve reopening the airport was granted in 2020, with an updated version approved in 2022 after several legal challenges.

Ramsgate Town Council says it wishes to ensure that residents are aware of the potential impacts identified to date and to confirm that these concerns will be formally raised with the Civil Aviation Authority (CAA), RSP, and local Members of Parliament.

Members say they recognise the technical complexity of aviation and airspace design and so have agreed a £3,000 pot to seek professional advice from Alan Stratford and Associates (ASA) consultancy to ensure their formal response is robust, evidence-based, and accurately reflects the implications for Ramsgate.

RTC meeting

Ramsgate Town Council’s draft response, prepared by Cllr David Green sets out their concerns in relation to the proposals.

They say both proposed flight path options would result in aircraft regularly flying over densely populated areas of Ramsgate at very low altitudes, estimated at approximately 230 to 900 feet above ground level.

The proposals indicate a substantial increase in activity, with plans for up to 14,000 air traffic movements per year by 2038 (around 38 flights per day).

The council notes that similar flight paths, when previously used at much lower levels of activity, caused significant disturbance to residents, including disruption to sleep, education and daily life.

RTC says it is particularly concerned by evidence within the applicant’s documentation regarding the health impacts of aircraft noise.

The proposal identifies measurable health effects linked to increased noise exposure, including:

  • Sleep disturbance
  • Loss of amenity
  • Increased risk of heart attacks and stroke
  • Potential links to dementia

The applicant’s figures estimate a total cost of over £20.8 million over ten years associated with noise-related health effects.

RTC also raises concerns that the scale of operations proposed is significantly greater than historic levels; says there is no clear evidence of secured funding or committed operators and independent verification of demand has not been demonstrated

The Planning Inspectorate previously questioned the need for the project and its potential environmental impact.

Manston airport site Photo Paul Wells

RTC also considers the consultation process itself to be inadequate for a proposal of this scale due to limited public engagement events, with only one held in Ramsgate despite the number of affected residents; restrictions within the online consultation platform – RSP has now permitted attachments to be included with responses (i.e. photos and PDF’s) following an appeal by Ramsgate Town Council and says there is a lack of transparency during the consultation period, with submissions not visible until after closure

RTC’s  draft submission says any acceptable proposal would need to include significant changes, including:

  • Higher minimum altitudes (at least 1,500 feet) over populated areas
  • Strong preference for routes that avoid overflying infrastructure and homes where possible
  • Strict enforcement of night-time restrictions
  • Clear, independently verified evidence of demand, safety, and funding

Seeking independent advice

Councillors say that while the concerns raised reflect local knowledge and resident feedback, aviation and airspace design are highly specialised areas.

To ensure that the  final response carries appropriate weight, independent aviation experts, Alan Stratford & Associates, have been commissioned to review the proposals and provide advice.

RTC says this will  validate and strengthen its objections where appropriate; ensure technical accuracy and avoid submitting information that may later need amendment

 The council will review the expert advice once received and submit a formal response to the consultation before the closing date.

RTC previously commissioned the same consultants for a submission to the Secretary of State during the Development Consent Order process.

RTC chairperson Cllr Steve Albon said: “Ramsgate Town Council recognises the importance of this issue to residents and is committed to ensuring that local concerns are clearly and professionally represented.

“The council will continue to engage with relevant authorities and stakeholders to try to ensure that any decisions relating to Manston Airport fully consider the impact on Ramsgate’s community.”

The consultation runs until Monday 22 June.

There are two design combinations for Manston Airport’s airspace:

  • Preferred Option: Based on RSP assessments, they say this option offers the greatest environmental benefit overall, including reductions in forecast noise levels for most communities.
  • Alternative Option: This option uses a different departure route and higher approach altitude but results in a slightly wider noise footprint.

Both options include new arrival and departure routes for each runway direction, alongside an Aerodrome Traffic Zone (ATZ) and a Flight Restriction Zone (FRZ).

The projected timeline for the reopening of Manston airport has been set back to 2029 due to “complexity of planning work…changes to the cost of the works…and turbulence within the financial markets.”

Before any  reopening the site has to gain certification by the Civil Air Authority for changes to airspace use.

This is a seven stage process and Manston Airport has been at stage 3 since 2022 but now moves to the public consultation step.

During this stage, RSP gathers public views on the proposed airspace changes, before submitting the final design to the CAA.

Details of each option, including maps, assessments, and supporting information:

Consultation Document – The primary document setting out the background to the proposal, the options under consideration, and how to respond to the consultation.

Full Options Appraisal – A detailed technical assessment of each option against CAA criteria, including airspace, environmental, and operational factors.

Noise Model – Modelling data showing the predicted noise impacts of each option on communities and the surrounding area.

Consultation Strategy – Sets out how the consultation has been designed and conducted, including who has been consulted, how, and why.

Interactive Map of Proposals

How to respond to the consultation

You can share your views:

Online: Complete the Consultation Questionnaire at: https://consultations.airspacechange.co.uk/manston-airport/manston-airport-consultation/

By Post: Print and complete the Consultation Questionnaire and send to free post address: FREEPOST 1616

 

96 Comments

    • You just can’t help being a wind up merchant can you Checksfield? I am going to forward a suggestion that aircraft taking off from Manston should fly over Birchington, at less than 300meters high, as they would when approaching over Ramsgate Harbour! I didn’t see anything in the article about the devaluing of property in the CT11 postal district, probably around 50% or more. Well would you buy a property with dirty old cargo aircraft flying over Ramsgate Harbour at less than 300 meters high, descending over Nethercourt to less than 100 meters before landing?

        • The cargo planes (no passenger aircraft!) will be four engined, and look and sound like a world war two bomber! They will make thousands of properties unsalable, because no one in their right mind will want to live under their flight path, to at least a mile either side of it, especially if they have no re-salable value!

          • You do realise modern aircraft are more environmentally friendly and quieter than the old aircraft and we are not talking London Heathrow or London Gatwick not even Southend , and I would rather have a airport than a housing estate that puts more of a burden on our infrastructure.

  1. An absolute nightmare scenario for anyone with her family living nearby. Cargo flights directly over our heads rattling roof tiles, disturbing our sleep, poisoning our children, disrupting their learning as the planes fly low over their schools. No to Manston.

      • No airport opened in Manston 110 years ago Peter
        There is a massive difference betwen airfield and Airport and when the USAF opened there in 1950 by 1958 the folks in Ramsgate got so fed up with the noise they had a party when the war department got them to move away

      • Coventry airport has just closed down after 90 years so nothing unusual these days when you cannot make one viable.

      • There you go again Checksfield speading lies and distortion, there was no airport at Manston in the first world war, it was an “Airstrip”, used by stringbag biplanes, mainly to recondition them after service in France. I used to have a drink with one of the pilots in the 70’s, who served in the Royal Flying Corp, and he would fly these battered aircraft from France to not just Manston, but Hawkinge near Folkestone. I remember him saying he ended up in Sandgate near Folkestone, where I lived because on one of his trips he carried 2 officers who clung to the wings when they went on leave. But he couldn’t gain enough height to get over the White Cliffs, so managed to ditch on Romney Marsh!

    • So many factual inaccuracies. Firstly, night flights are prohibited by the conditions of the DCO. Secondly, your roof tiles won’t shake; even the engines of cargo dogs from 2014 didn’t do that, never mind 14 years of progress. You aren’t getting poisoned – no different to a car. Finally, flying low over schools – educational, no? Think of all the children inspired to go in to the fantastic career of aviation! I would have absolutely loved that as a child!

      • Homes shake, fact, school lessons disturbed fact, these are normally the oldest, most polluting noisiest aircraft, which used to break all the rules going with little regard or consequences enforced. FACT

        • Steve, I regularly deal with the CAA, and they are the most meticulous, legalistic and bureaucratic organisation one will ever deal with (for better for worse!) – I promise you no rules will be broken under their watch! They may be the oldest, but in aviation, old means inefficient, and inefficient means expensive, so old is seldom older than a few decades, which, for aviation on a more macro scale, isn’t that old! As for houses shaking, I suggest that that’s really clutching at straws – the railway behind my house causes more vibration than air traffic ever did!

        • I’m looking for an opening to say my bit. I hear you regarding your concerns re the airport. But….what about the massive building going on at WWX? That has already had a massive affect on pollution and traffic being backed up. Is there any work for these new residents? This seems to have had a massive negative effect on the area. Would the airport provide enough work for this increase in population?
          Just saying.

      • Night flights are NOT prohibited by the DCO.
        There are restrictions on scheduled flights between 23:00 and 06:00. There are NO restrictions on unscheduled flights.

        • You can’t just land at an airfield with it being unscheduled unless it’s an emergency, that’s just a fact of the process. Companies bid for slots and plan flights often months and weeks in advance – they don’t just rock up unannounced and unscheduled.

      • Researchers in Germany compered the cognitive development of two groups of school children, on opposite sides of a city.
        Those under the flightpath suffer3d impairment, compared with the other group.
        The airport subsequently relocated to the other side of the town.
        Then the second group of children suffered.

        • It’s not comparable – Munich’s airport is one of the busiest in Germany (around 900 takeoffs/landings per day), and it was also conducted in 2002, which, by the time Manston reopens, will be knocking on the door of 30 years of technological change. It wasn’t anything groundbreaking either – it just said that noise impacts learning, which is obvious. The same could be said as a school next to farmer’s field, or a road, or a shopping centre, or large settlement….

          • Why are you so desperate to minimise what could be a catastrophe for Thanet if RSP do begin a freight hub at Manston, being bang in the middle of us?
            People have real concerns and rightly so.

          • Kent Resident, because I love Thanet, and I love growth, and I love aviation, and I grew up with the airport too. IF it opens, and a big IF because I’m not naive, it will be fantastic for the local economy, massively reduce youth unemployment, increase investment and put Thanet back on the global map.

      • Wrong FJM, I lived beneath the flight path of the first jet aircraft based at Biggin Hill 8 miles away, and there was uproar because they constantly broke glass windows when they flew through the sound barrier!

  2. Most of these people complaining about these aircraft ignore the fact that the airport was long established before many of their houses incl the Nethercourt estate .we’re ever built
    As for the comment in this writeup that people will be having heart attacks and strokes if the airport is reopened is seriously clutching at straws
    My parents used to live at the end of Manston High Street and they never once complained about the aircraft

    • But, going back in time there were just fewer flights and most being light aircraft unless you are referring to wartime Chris? Nobody grumbled about them back then as they were fighting planes for the country.

      We are now talking about 35 heavy aircraft flights daily coming in and leaving to start with. The pollution from which will cause suffering to anyone living nearby. The airport is now bang in the middle of many new housing developments also. I doubt any of those developers listed a freight airport opening on their doorstep in the selling literature. They won’t care as long as the money is rolling in.

      • Surly the people buying the properties, even if the developers were “economical” with the truth about the possibility of an airport a few miles away, would have done some research into the area, and not bought “blind”

      • Naming one development “The Landings” is a bit of a clue, no? It is on the Hayne Road/Manston Road

      • Some people have got a loss of memories if they think that Manston airport previously just was for the RAF during the war and for light aircraft . Don’t you remember the huge Russian freight aircraft that regularly had flights from Manston , and the holiday flights by Irish airline company EU Jet plus the many other companies using the airfield like Virgin and BA for training
        I still have fond memories of flying to Faro ,Portugal from Manston and then on the return journey being in the Jolly Farmer pub in Manston having a Sunday Roast dinner 10 minutes after landing
        Oh if only those days could return again

      • Kent resident – solicitor searches before purchase would have highlighted airport in proximity – i doubt you will see 35 inbound flights daily for many years – calm down!

        • No it won’t, it’s been defunct for over a decade.
          I doubt that as 35 daily was a near on starting figure.

        • I can’t tell you it didn’t – we bought our house in December and just challenged our searches provider who confirmed it didn’t appear because the airport boundaries isn’t adjacent to the property we bought – so don’t presume everyone knew about the DCO, we didn’t

    • The health figures are from RSP’s documentation. Its a bit like someone moving to a country lane to find that its be turned into a 3 lane motorway!

    • Many people have moved to Ramsgate since there has not been an airfield for 10 years, no matter will be a failed disaster again.

  3. When does the 5 year time limit run out on the DCO? Can’t be long left now.
    It won’t be healthy for any oldies riding their bike from Birchington to Ramsgate to go watch planes take off and land.
    An early dispatch can be arranged by going continental in Belgium or the Netherlands if that is preffered.

  4. Only an idiot would invest money in Manston Airport. All the expert reports – including Government inspectors- say it’s a complete non-starter. The man responsible for trying to reopen it is a black hole when it comes to business ventures. Nothing survives. Manston re-opening has been a complete and utter waste of time and money (£8.5m of which is public money). It’ll all be houses in five years.

      • RTC

        Has a duty of care to its residents. We all know manston will never reopen but the council has to expect the worst.
        RSP have done nothing to help thanet and ramsgate. Its just holding things up, farmland being used for houses etc

        RSP know manston wont open as an airport, it never has been a successful stand alone airport. There is no infrastructure for a major cargo hub. The thanet way cant take normal traffic let alone hundreds of more hgv’s and aviation fuel tankers ever day.

        Just like the airshow, manston its a scam. Look who is in charge of RSP check out his career !

  5. Maybe Councillor Albon should be focusing more on the rollout of the new bin collections. Now making BBC news. Well, it’s good that Labour are putting Thanet on the map for something !

  6. One begs to ask the question, Why did councillor Green buy a bungalow in Rydal Avenue, when he knew it was under the flightpath ??

  7. Here we go again Ramsgate Council wasting our money again fix the pot holes first and there has never been a problem with planes flying over my house that was built 1800 and still sanding

    • So Leslie Lewis when did manston last have cargo planes taking of and landing ever 15 minutes ?

      Manston has had a few military and commercial planes flying daily. BUT manston has never been a stand alone private airport that makes money. It never will.

  8. The real tragedy in all this is we could have put 10,000 houses on the defunct airstrip that as many point out, was a succession of military bases long since defunct, followed by a few repeat failed years being unable to succeed as an airport. We could have had a properly thought out new garden village with proper thought for utilities, schools, roads and so forth. It is the largest brownfield site in Kent, slavishly protected by a vocal minority who lap up the delusional rhetoric of the repeated failed airport operator.

    Most of the supporters falsely believed their support would stop housing development elsewhere. How wrong they were. Now we suffer the cramming in of housing, the semi permanent grid lock, and the occasionally deluded comment on jobs or easy holiday getaways. Despite the fact its a cargo hub with an ever extending supposed go live.

    That’s the real tragedy. The shoving of 10s of thousands of houses that could have gone there.

    I am thankful to RTC for their sensible approach, and their focus on residents. In contrast to the studiously neutral TDC Labour admin or the Manston avoidant Polly.

  9. The single CAA Consultation in Ramsgate was a statutory requirement to consult only on A or B flight paths. Not yet another argument about whether the airport should open. The runway isn’t moving, so after aviation experts did research, they came up with 2 alternative choices which were clearly set out and residents had a choice to decide which one they thought was best for them and Ramsgate. RTC’s decision to pay Stratford’s to do another report is a waste of time and money. The DCO stands whether RTC like the flight paths or not.

  10. If you don’t like it move. The airport was there first. As for Ramsgate Town council wasting more of our money, they need to be replaced.

  11. Ramsgate town council need to focus on the town instead of spending money trying to block the airport

    • They are spending money on the town. They’ve commissioned a report so they can make an informed contribution to thr CAA process.

    • KCC concluded it was a dead duck years ago. So did TDC. Despite their best efforts to find someone, anyone, to report to the contrary. Oh, and the government inspectors also thought it was a terrible idea. If anyone is wasting time, money and opportunity it is Tony F and his invisible investors.

  12. No matter, the multiple times failed airfield has a maximum of 7 years before its closed with massive debts. I would suggest if TDC or KCC suggest investigations or subsidies everyone withhold the council tax payments, there has been millions of public money spent much of it being Thanet and Kent residents on consultants which have all said, never viable, not a sustainable business, should not be considered. Yet, our TDC and KCC Cllrs and MPs past and present support it, this needs independent investigation into who has sticky fingers. They are quick to launch a futile attack on Dreamland owners for closing a ride, no harm done, but something as messy as this is not investigated, what don’t they want anyone to find out?

  13. Got to be honest, reading these comments, the overwhelming gripe seems to ve ‘Not In My Backyard’ with the ‘won’t someone think about the children?’ Refrain. Doesnt seems to bother anyone about the children of gatwick and Heathrow when they’re jetting off for their summer hols.

    • Spot on. Like so many local people (even Green voters like Christine Tongue), I fly abroad a couple of times a year. So I’m not going to oppose an airport just down the road… and who knows, they may do passenger flights eventually. Exciting stuff!

  14. None of them as close to the bottom of the runway as manston is to Ramsgate, as for not in my backyard, is there no merit in some of these comments, your the ones with no credibility not the people raising concerns, perhaps your one of the sticky finger mob, seen any brown envelopes lately.

    • According to you, the airport is going to fail and FYI,I know for a fact there are house a few hundred feet from the runway at Heathrow. Ill be expecting you to complain about the 3rd runway; given the huge environmental,health and infrastructure issues you’ve stated.

        • Only because it wasn’t operated successfully. That’s like saying that is was pointless buying Man City in 2008 because they weren’t doing well – the idea itself isn’t the issue, but the way in which it is run.

      • Absolutely, the entire process of airport expansion in this country is like it’s failing governments and parliamentary processes, out dated by a long way and requires revision

  15. According to the facts the airport failed many times previously. According to the facts the negative impact on Ramsgate was, and is well documented. According to the facts it employed less than 150 people last time it went bust.

    Most people’s back yards dont experience a gigantic lumbering cargo boiler over their garden at less than 300 feet. Anywhere.

    Apart from Ramsgate, due to historic military presence and ill advised attempts into commercial aviation.

    However, Roger Gale is worried about Heathrow actually. Because his daughter lives under the flightpath. He just doesn’t give two hoots about the Ramsgate noise impact.

  16. The fact we are supposed to moving to a greener more sustainable future, manston does none of this with its increased freight traffic for the little it will bring in compared to cargo ships, on a failing poorly maintained road network were hgvs will take cargo to distribution centres within 10 miles of main cargo airports which are still not running to capacity due to hauliers not wanting to move cargo by plane due to costs and Environment impact. It is not sustainable and perhaps for the small island we live on a small island the maximum we should have for sustainability and environmental factors, is 8 passenger airports, 4 cargo. This is more than sustainable, any other airfield should be restricted to small aircraft, private jets and helicopter movements only. The best thing Boris johnson ever suggested, was off shore airports should be built, not a revised multiple times failed airfield at the back end of nowhere, 90 miles from distribution hubscwith poor links, surrounded by homes, and a very limited catchment for passengers as when you go 40 minutes up the road you are nearer to 4 count them no less than 4 potentially 5 larger better airports with greater passenger distribution than this hick port.

    • Sustainable fuels are being pioneered in the aviation sector, with Cargolux, one of the former most active users of Manston for cargo, really pushing forward with its utilisation. As for road transit, some lorries may actually have to travel less distance with the opening of Manston (and aircraft may have to fly shorter too!), as the main cargo airports presently are Bournemouth, East Midlands and Prestwick, leaving a big gap in the Southeast of England, where need for materials is high. Additionally, sustainable fuels for road transit are being pushed forwards too. As for traffic congestion, the opening of the airport may act as a catalyst for improved infrastructure in the area, as improvement only happens when there is proven need, so in increasing demand by opening the airport, a stronger case can be taken to KCC/The Government for further funding to improve infrastructure.

  17. I went to the one and only Ramsgate consultation. The flight path is huge over our historic town, beautiful harbour and beaches. Someone said Don’t you have double glazing! Do all our historic listed buildings and homes have double glazing? They say it’s not noisy old cargo planes anymore – new technology apparently???? And how is all this cargo being transported to and from airport? Night flights will happen if delays! And somehow it’s not just cargo anymore,was that part of the planning approval? Just hoping it will never get off the ground!

    • It it new technology – by the time flights start around 2030, that will be over 15 years since the airport last operated, and now, the quiet passenger aircraft of that time are used as cargo dogs, and the cargo planes at that time have been retired. It’s a constant evolution. If you don’t want it to happen then don’t live here – it’s part of the fabric from which the place we all call home was woven from. Manston is part of what makes Thanet so great.

  18. Ramsgate Town Council wasting our money yet again, still it will
    please the snowflakes. I can’t wait for the planes flying over my house again.

    • You are the sort that hold thanet back and prevent innovative vision to improve the area, your type want to continue flogging the dead horse, repeating the same mistakes of old. That dead horse must be ash by now its been flogged so hard for so long. Continue living in your delusional world, and continue holding thanet back.

  19. Have a look at the town centres, empty shops everywhere, this is where RTC should be directing their (Our) money and energy.
    Empty shops have nothing to do with a few planes flying over the town. So get real Steve please.

    • Ramsgate has just been granted £20 million to improve our beautiful town. We do have new independent shops, cafes and businesses opening which will appeal to visitors. Even if cargo planes do take over current passenger planes as technology advances – (what’s happening to the old planes going to that massive airplane graveyard, v environmental!?) – they are still noisy especially at a few hundred feet over town which won’t enhance visitor enjoyment unless you’re one on the avid plane spotter type. This Manston cloud has been over shadowing for far too long, it needs to fade away and let us enjoy what we are so lucky to have here in the crazy World we live in.

  20. Peter, Those shops will close after a few months and be boarded up.
    It’s Westwood Cross that has been the downfall of our town centres and
    not a few planes flying over the town.
    PS, Ramsgate has plenty of Cafes.

    • Westwood Cross hasn’t helped, but there’s more to it than that. Quite simply, with its constant smell of dope, youths on scooters, beggars in doorways and literally collapsing buildings in King Street, it’s not a nice place anymore. Compare it to Broadstairs: not perfect, but (apart from late at night) its generally a comfortable place to walk around. Further afield, big nearby supermarkets have changed the High Streets in Deal, Faversham and Hythe, but again, they’re still worth travelling to. Still, as long as there’s no planes, eh?

  21. Night flights will be permitted if the aircraft are late for any reason or on humanitarian service. The Examining Authority said the cargo hub is not viable and no to go ahead. Where are the investors Freudmann keeps promising? I hear he was attending a meeting with them a few weeks ago in Blackfriars and still no word. Manston will seriously damage our hospitality and tourism industries in Ramsgate (our biggest employers) and this was reflected on the DCO. I certainly don’t want any large aircraft flying so low over Ramsgate again. The noise, pollution, and vibration will seriously damage local people’s health all of which has been costed up by RSP. Imagine pricing up heart disease, strokes and sleepless nights. It’s about money and two fingers up at local people. NO to Manston air CARGO hub!!

  22. I live under the flight path and can’t wait to hear & see the planes flying above.
    So you don’t fly on holiday, No Manston Airport???????

  23. Just build a Super Hospital on the land close Canterbury,Ashford,Dover and Margate Hospitals put all hospital service in one place.
    Plenty of land then for social housing in Kent

  24. I went to Clarendon from 1968-1975 and got 10 O-levels and 3 A-levels. There were planes flying over then but it certainly didn’t affect my education. And planes were much noisier at that time than the newer, quieter aircraft which would be using Manston now.

    Whenever I fly from Gatwick I always stay the night prior at an airport hotel and can’t ever recall not being able to sleep due to aircraft noise.

    I have one friend who lives at Manston who has no objection to the airport re-opening and recently to chatting to someone at the gym who lives at Manston and said he couldn’t wait for flights to return there.

    I have one question for all those who are so opposed to the airport – do you ever fly anywhere? If so, then you are a selfish NIMBY.

    YIMBY (Yes, In My Backyard)

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