Application for council flats and family homes at former Dane Valley Arms site

How it could look (HazleMcCormackYoung LLP/ Chartered Architects/)

A block of 13 council flats and four houses will be built on the site of a Margate pub which was destroyed in a blaze.

Fires and vandalism at the Dane Valley Arms had been a constant problem since its closure in 2012.

In August 2012, some 30 firefighters battled the flames at the property in Dane Valley Road when a blaze took hold in the early hours.

The pub, which had been a fixture for more than a century, was then demolished  in December 2016 after Thanet council served notice due to its unsafe condition.

Dane Valley Arms 1900s

Thanet District Council served the demolition order in September 2016. Owners, Dane Valley Arms Limited, were given a period of eight weeks to carry out the work. They failed to carry that out so TDC stepped in and recharged the company for the work.

A year prior to the blaze planning permission had been granted for nine houses, four flats and a pub at ground floor, following demolition of existing building.

Before demolition

In 2017 KSD Group Ltd & Coldunell Ltd asked for permission to create 10 flats, seven houses, ground floor micropub and associated parking at the site but this did not take place.

Now Thanet council has lodged an application to create the flats – seven 1-bed and six 2-bed- and four 3-bed semi detached homes plus 18 parking spaces across the site.

A public consultation about the scheme was previously held in May at Millmead Community Hall.

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Since then the project has had a review of the positioning of dwellings fronting Dane Valley Road,, consideration of a potential lighting scheme and how this may impact nearby residents, a review of roof design, height, and scale, review of parking and access routes,

It is one of four applications for 100% affordable housing development within the district. Across all four schemes Thanet District Council plans to deliver 49 homes in response to an identified need for the area.

The four developments at Dane Valley Arms, Tomlin Drive, Staner Court and Clements Road, constitute Phase 4 of the council’s affordable housing project and are the first to be targeting ‘net zero’ to keep down the costs of heating and hot water.

All the affordable rent new build units will be let to households on Thanet Council’s Housing Register and retained as council stock. The units will be let at an affordable rent in perpetuity (subject to right to buy applications). The scheme is funded via a mix of right to buy receipts, Thanet District Council’s Housing Revenue Account – new properties reserves, DLUHC Brownfield Land Release Find grant, and Public Works and Loan Board borrowing.

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The Dane Valley Arms site is currently accessed by secure gates and site hoarding has been erected at the boundaries. The footprint of the pub is littered with overgrown buddleia plants.

The forecourt and former garage access remain as hard standing, littered with rubbish and rubble. Some boundary walls of the demolished garage remain, along with the retaining structure/masonry wall along the boundary of the pub garden.

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The pub garden has been left to nature, garden plants have continued to grow and the brambles and buddleia are overgrown.

The site is identified in the Local Plan 2020 for housing development.

The plans can be seen on Thanet council’s planning portal, reference F/TH/23/1339

Government funding

Thanet council has been allocated £685,275 of government funding  which will be used to support the building of homes on brownfield sites

The funding, through the Department for Levelling Up, Housing and Communities (DLUHC) Brownfield Land Release Fund, will go towards phase four of the council’s programme to with 49 new homes being built. They will form part of the council’s social housing stock and will be rented out to households on the housing register.

Locations have been identified at Tomlin Drive, Dane Valley Road and the former Dane Valley Arms site in Margate, and Staner Court and Clements Road in Ramsgate. All of these are brownfield sites, which means the land has been previously developed. They are all owned by the council, and currently have either disused garages or laundry drying areas on them.

TDC has successfully developed and provided 51 new social housing properties across the district (Phase 1 – 11 units, Phase 2 – 14 units, and Phase 3 – 26 units). Phase 4 marks a turning point, providing a similar quantity of dwellings as Phases 1 through 3, with the target of minimising operational energy demands

34 Comments

  1. I dont see the sense in continuing to build ‘Social Housing’ which is then subject to ‘right to buy’.

    • The council will be allocating the properties on a “needs based” basis, which effectively means the homes will go to those that don’t work and are unlikely to ie the perpetually benefit dependent. Such people are very unlikely to ever suddenly start working and be able to save the deposit and subsequently pay a mortgage. So the properties are pretty unlikely to have applications under right to buy. But of course we can surely expect the Labour government to be , to do away with the right to buy legislation , can’t we?
      Of course this only leads to imbalanced areas largely inhabited by the benefit dependent, which rather flies in the face of trying to create balanced thriving communities , which is what the demand for “affordable” housing on private developments is meant to create.

  2. Di Jones you are correct it doesn’t make sense, but as with all tdc property they want to sell some to regain money as quickly as possible. They deny this but we can see through there lies

  3. Even though the right to buy still exists (it should never have been passed in the first place!), social housing should continue to be built. Not everyone can afford to buy the property they live in, whether it’s owned privately or by a council or housing association. I don’t know what percentage of the social housing stock in Britain has been bought by the original council tenants, but I expect it’s easily found online.

    • The right to buy made a lot of ordinary working class people (eventually) well-off financially… including several members of my own family. Or do you prefer poor people to remain poor?

    • Quite right.
      The problems with social housing set in when Thatcher introduced this Right to Buy scheme.

  4. Good news again but in small doses. The people sneering obviously have never been homeless or had to move miles away from jobs, schools or relatives. This site is currently an eyesore – good quality Council housing is a real step in the right direction – more please!

  5. Evil Thatcher should never have stolen the public housing stock she stole all public services and sold off the large mental health hospitals in preparation to sell off the NHS. Many council house tenants were given 100% interest payments only to buy their undervalued homes. Fast forward 25 years many could not find the money to pay off the mortgage last capital payment so have ended up selling their beloved home and buying a caravan on holiday parks with hardly any legal protection. Yet another example of the conservatives leading the public to a much worse situation than they were before.

      • And don’t forget the Poor Houses and Work Houses.

        With the number of rough sleepers, those in poor or overcrowded housing, and those with mental health issues – a Work House or Asylum would at least put a roof over their head and food in their belly.

          • Errr – yes they did.
            You obviously don’t know your history.
            Pre-war Britain was a land of slum landlords, malnutrition and non-existent healthcare.
            That was why Council homes and the NHS were such a game-changer for this country.
            The Tories we’re against these and have spend the last 70 years undermining them.

    • I agree.
      Thatcher’s determination to make all council tenants home owners was not an overwhelming success.
      A significant number of ex-council tenants, keen to jump on the ownership bandwagon, over extended themselves financially and came a disastrous cropper.
      Others took improper advantage of the scheme, and are now renting out ex-council homes at exorbitant rents to tenants who should be council tenants.

        • Congratulations.
          This ‘I’m alright Jack’ attitude is why there are thousands of UK adults still living with their parents and sleeping in their childhood bedrooms – with no prospect pro waning their own home.
          The sooner we tackle the housing crisis (fuelled by insufficient building and Air B&B – not immigration) the more equitable our society will be.

      • There have been homeless people for hundreds,perhaps even thousands, of years. “Sleeping in shop doorways” has been happening for centuries.

        • Not in English towns during the work-house era, as they would’ve quite rightly been moved on under anti-vagrancy laws. In Wales perhaps.

          • I do wonder who you might be in real life.
            Your comments give insight into the mind of someone who hates the world.
            You appear to be a cruel, spiteful individual who seems to get off on taking the most venomous, bile-filled stance on any given subject.
            I wonder what happened to you to make you this way.
            Maybe you were bullied at school and it’s driven you to sit hunched over a decades old desktop computer, spewing out this rubbish while your mum makes your tea.
            Bless you.

        • Reply to “Bluntly Honest”: you’re right, Peter Checksfield doesn’t seem to know much about the social history of Britain.

    • I dont agree with Ann regarding her views on manston but I think we agree 100% about the damage Thatcher did to the uk. The uk is still paying for her attack on the working classes. All Thatcher cared about was making her money make mates even richer.

      Thatcher policies were to sell off everything Britain owned. Her pole tax was pure evil making the working classes pay more than those in millionaires houses.

      How the hell thanet is a Tory stronghold is baffling. On the other hand it’s a shining example of Thatcherism. Lots of people with lots of money or living of credit card for an image. Than thanet has lots of people below the poverty line.

      As someone else said why build more council houses when the tenants can than buy them ? It doesnt help the houses stock if they keep being sold

    • if people have had to sell their homes because they couldn’t raise the final mortgage capital payment that sounds like they were mis-sold insurance based endowment mortgages instead of repayment mortgages and didn’t do anything to change the situation as it became obvious that the endowment sector would fail to cover their mortgage at the end of the term – this has been a known problem for years and didn’t just affect people who bought their homes under Right to Buy

      • People who rely on interest only mortgages get regular statements from any endowment scheme they’ve paid in to. It will give them plenty of warning if the scheme is going to fall short. The difficulty is, what do you do if the scheme shows it’s going to be £10,000 short?

  6. all these new homes going up but not once have I seen mention about disabled /oap bungalows
    all the oap get is buying a flat that costs an arm and a leg and still have to pay maintenance on top great if you are rich but what about old people who cannot buy?? or disabled who have to put up with substandard accomodation, wow what a mess this country is in

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