Ramsgate mayor calls for private security if police ‘can’t maintain safety’

Mayor Trevor Shonk helped clear up at the car park but says more needs to be done

Ramsgate mayor Trevor Shonk is calling for Ramsgate police station to be manned 24/7 or private security firms to patrol the streets, in the wake of antisocial behaviour including vandalism of the town’s oldest house.

Cllr Shonk and workers from Ramsgate Town Council cleared the car park and toilets in Canvendish Street on Thursday (August 2) following the attack on the 1680s flint cottage that is at the rear of the site.

The property has had some 40 small window panes smashed and the trellis ripped to the floor, thought to be the work of yobs who congregate on the benches at the car park.

The owner of the ground floor part of the house told The Isle of Thanet News this week of the persistent drug,drink and antisocial behaviour by her home.

Retired nurse Amanda Moy said: ““The car park area is used by street drinkers and gangs of feral kids. It makes life unbearable, when I have my grandchildren here and they use the paddling pool in the garden all you can hear is screaming, swearing and fighting in the car park and then there are kids throwing bricks.”

Amanda has written to Kent Police and Thanet council appealing for the benches by the car park to be removed, the installation of CCTV and officer patrols. She has also discussed the issue with ward councillor Bev Martin.

She says if nothing can be done to stop the antisocial behaviour and vandalism attacks on her home she may have to abandon the property.

The clear up by RTC followed her plea but Cllr Shonk, who took part in the operation, says more needs to be done.

He said: “Rough sleepers are using the toilets for drug use, the feral gang were back outside the gabled flint roof house last night and my biggest concern is that there is no policing.

“The streets are full of heavy drinkers and open drug deals going on every day. We need police and zero tolerance, a fully manned police station 24/ 7 and not just a cop shop,

“If the police are unable to maintain our safety we better start thinking of getting a private security firm for all of Thanet. We are being badly let down and ignored. The public deserve and demand better.

“Hundreds of pounds of damage were caused to the flint property. We cleared all that alleyway but the seats need removing and I will try to get the toilet block closed. It’s a drug den.

“People don’t feel safe walking through there. Enough is enough.  All this fluffing around for years and talk but no action is not good enough.”

During the clean-up scores of syringes were collected.

Chief Inspector for Thanet Rhiannan Pepper said: “Kent Police continues to work with Thanet District Council and partner agencies under the Thanet Community Safety Partnership to proactively target any areas of concern in Ramsgate.

“Any residents with information about criminal activity taking place should contact Kent Police on 101 (999 if a crime is in action) or report online via our website. We also encourage residents to attend the Neighbourhood Engagement Meetings or speak to our PCSOs through their regular surgeries to raise any issues.

“The information received is important in helping us to build up an accurate picture of offending and ensure any areas of concern are policed appropriately.’

Anyone with information about the vandalism of the flint house can call 01843 222289 quoting reference ZY/42104/18.

The house is now also within a newly approved PSPO (Public Space Protection Order) area which aims to give greater powers to police and enforcement officers to tackle antisocial behaviour.

The three-year orders, approved by Thanet council Cabinet members on July 26 cover Margate Central and Central Harbour in Ramsgate and parts of Eastcliff in Ramsgate and Cliftonville West.

These wards have the highest rate of antisocial behaviour reports in the district accounting for more than half – 53% – of all complaints.

Action against offenders can include Fixed Penalty Notices for £80. The site has previously been within areas covered by 48 hour dispersal orders brought in last year following hundreds of complaints over vandalism, threats intimidation, drug dealing and nuisance behaviour.

Thanet council said the authority had responded to a letter received from Ms Moy and had assigned an officer to the case.

The next Neighbourhood Engagement meeting for Ramsgate is at Glo Hub, Hardres Street, on August 21 at 7pm.


  1. The Mayor is correct! When he was younger, Police were Police. Nowadays, you can trust nobody. Drugs are the worst way of committing suicide. Dealers get away with murder! And don’t get me going on the stupidity of litter-bugs. The laziest scummiest people in the world.

  2. I agree with the call for more police presence but NOT private security. Fully trained police are better at handling situations and are less likely to be heavy handed and should be better at handling complications such as people with mental health issues. The police are also answerable to the public rather than a private company who will only care about their bottom line.

  3. Those toilets are the only public ones in the town! If they get closed where are people supposed to go? In the alleyways?

  4. And who would be paying for the “private police”?
    In Thanet, we are already paying higher Council Tax than anyone in London and yet Kent Police can hardly compare to the Met. The answer is to properly finance the police we already have and encourage them to do a better job. It is unfortunate that the Conservative government favour having fewer police stations, spaced further apart, as a means of reducing costs and saving money. Very often, saving money must not be the main priority.

    • We don’t pay higher Council Tax than anyone in London. It’s preposterous to say that.
      We do get what we pay for. Low taxation means not much money to pay for things other than baling out the banks.

      • I don’t know about now. But I used to live in Bayswater in central London. At the time the district of Westminster had lowest council tax rate in the country.

  5. Although there is a lack of public toilets in Thanet I feel the ones we do have should be should be monitored by full time cleaning staff and paid for by the public. I was one of those who complained when I first saw this in progress in Victoria railway station London,but it works and the loos are spotless. Yes it may cost you a small token but it keeps the undesirables out.

  6. I’ve been looking at the facts trying to understand why police are not managing to keep issues in the town centre under control, and it seems to be due to the drop in police numbers – we have around 21,000 less police officers in England and Wales since 2010. But what is more striking, is that the numbers of police community support officers (PCSOs), who patrol the streets, have fallen by almost 40% during this period.

    I’ll repeat that, the numbers of POLICE PATROLLING the streets HAS FALLEN BY 40%.

    It seems to me that what we need is not private security, not new regulations like PSPOs; no new laws are needed, just a simple return to an adequate number of police officers.

    We pay our taxes, we are told the economy is doing well – why are do have far fewer police doing their job than ten years ago?







  7. I agree to a 24 hour police station. But the problem goes much wider than this. Rough sleeping, idiots on mopeds, open drug dealing in the streets. If you move them from one area of the town they are just going to settle in another park or public space In the town. We need a tougher stance on all anti social behaviour all the time. Our town is slipping back to how it was 15 years ago.

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